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Kenya Airways...why ignore..
Extraterrestrial
#14481 Posted : Monday, April 06, 2020 6:23:31 AM
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Location: Mars
obiero wrote:
Angelica _ann wrote:
sqft wrote:
maka wrote:
Got some good charter business....🤑🤑🤑


That killed the captain and sickened the crew?


Surely he didn't know it would turn out like that!!!

Saddists will always have a certain view of things


Agree. Although in this regard, I set aside my different view due to particularly sad and heroic demise of the gentleman.
KaunganaDoDo
#14482 Posted : Monday, April 06, 2020 8:54:35 AM
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Joined: 8/6/2018
Posts: 233
maka wrote:
From me ...Allan is a proper leader ...Proper lad....

Hope we will get to see what he can do at the airline...

Proper....proper fellow.


There are some technicians still under quarantine at Simba Lounge? Some chaps who had gone to Training in Ethiopia?
ArrestedDev
#14483 Posted : Monday, April 06, 2020 12:36:32 PM
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Location: Nairobi
maka wrote:
From me ...Allan is a proper leader ...Proper lad....

Hope we will get to see what he can do at the airline...

Proper....proper fellow.


Nothing much if he is holding the horses for the cartels. Without cargo business, KQ won’t be able to compete with those E190s.

I tend to think that Allan is a product of Peter Muthoka, a close ally of Uhuru who owns a cargo handling business in JKIA. I strongly believe he is just another Ngunze who was made the CEO to ensure the interests of the ruling elite are taken care of while public entities suffer.

The firm handling China Southern cargo which ideally KQ cargo subsidiary should be doing to complement the revenues belongs to Peter Muthoka.

Cartels and their interests in JKIA and aviation especially the lucrative Cargo business won’t allow a public enterprise like KQ to thrive at all. Ethiopian have beaten us 100% and nothing will ever change the tide as it is now.

KQ won’t be able to restart operations without the bailout from the government as it stands now.

The charter flights revenue for KQ is a drop in the ocean. Ethiopian recently deployed 4 B777s to pick up cruise lines staff from Orlando.
ArrestedDev
#14484 Posted : Monday, April 06, 2020 12:41:00 PM
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Location: Nairobi
This is the firm.

https://www.google.com.a...sAMP-10p2alt/index.html

I believe they co-owns it with the Kenyatta family. The deal was executed while Ngunze was in office. He screwed it and come to the TV screens to fool common wananchi of what he is doing to pull it out of the loss making position.

The Odinga’s already have their share of the lucrative business through Astral aviation.

The same thing with catering. KQ are paying too much for the food they are supplied with since the business belongs to some elites in Kenya camouflaged with a global firm.

I have said again and again that KQ and Kenya’s strategic location in Africa, talent, etc should never be making losses at all!
VituVingiSana
#14485 Posted : Monday, April 06, 2020 1:14:09 PM
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Location: Nairobi
ArrestedDev wrote:
This is the firm.

https://www.google.com.a...sAMP-10p2alt/index.html

I believe they co-owns it with the Kenyatta family. The deal was executed while Ngunze was in office. He screwed it and come to the TV screens to fool common wananchi of what he is doing to pull it out of the loss making position.

The Odinga’s already have their share of the lucrative business through Astral aviation.

The same thing with catering. KQ are paying too much for the food they are supplied with since the business belongs to some elites in Kenya camouflaged with a global firm.

I have said again and again that KQ and Kenya’s strategic location in Africa, talent, etc should never be making losses at all!
Brick wall And now it is clearer why the CS flight was allowed to land chini ya maji!
Greedy when others are fearful. Very fearful when others are greedy - to paraphrase Warren Buffett
ArrestedDev
#14486 Posted : Monday, April 06, 2020 1:23:27 PM
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VituVingiSana wrote:
ArrestedDev wrote:
This is the firm.

https://www.google.com.a...sAMP-10p2alt/index.html

I believe they co-owns it with the Kenyatta family. The deal was executed while Ngunze was in office. He screwed it and come to the TV screens to fool common wananchi of what he is doing to pull it out of the loss making position.

The Odinga’s already have their share of the lucrative business through Astral aviation.

The same thing with catering. KQ are paying too much for the food they are supplied with since the business belongs to some elites in Kenya camouflaged with a global firm.

I have said again and again that KQ and Kenya’s strategic location in Africa, talent, etc should never be making losses at all!
Brick wall And now it is clearer why the CS flight was allowed to land chini ya maji!


Yes. It is a carrier sponsored by the ruling elite and their Chinese business partners . Almost 99.99% of people in Kenya including majority of the wazuans do not have a clue of what is going on at all!
sqft
#14487 Posted : Tuesday, April 07, 2020 1:22:05 AM
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Selling "assets" to foot bills.



“For every complex problem there is an answer that is clear, simple and wrong.” ― H. L. Mencken.
sqft
#14488 Posted : Tuesday, April 07, 2020 1:38:25 PM
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Jambojet suspends all flights.
“For every complex problem there is an answer that is clear, simple and wrong.” ― H. L. Mencken.
obiero
#14489 Posted : Tuesday, April 07, 2020 6:33:06 PM
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sqft wrote:
Jambojet suspends all flights.

There was no option
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Ericsson
#14490 Posted : Tuesday, April 07, 2020 7:35:04 PM
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sqft wrote:
Selling "assets" to foot bills.





An old Airbus plane
Ericsson
#14491 Posted : Tuesday, April 07, 2020 7:40:06 PM
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obiero wrote:
sqft wrote:
Jambojet suspends all flights.

There was no option


They ferry cargo
winmak
#14492 Posted : Tuesday, April 07, 2020 7:51:03 PM
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Ericsson wrote:
sqft wrote:
Selling "assets" to foot bills.





An old Airbus plane


Out of curiosity, are these things on sale? and how much would a 737 or A320 shell cost?

for re-purposing into a restaurant
For investors as a whole, returns decrease as motion increases ~ WB
Zichi
#14493 Posted : Tuesday, April 07, 2020 8:42:55 PM
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winmak wrote:
Ericsson wrote:
sqft wrote:
Selling "assets" to foot bills.





An old Airbus plane


Out of curiosity, are these things on sale? and how much would a 737 or A320 shell cost?

for re-purposing into a restaurant


Kes 1m tops. African Express used to have some shells-no idea if they sold them/are willing to sell them
tandich
#14494 Posted : Tuesday, April 07, 2020 10:50:18 PM
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Ericsson wrote:
sqft wrote:
Selling "assets" to foot bills.





An old Airbus plane


Looks like a Boeing fuselage
sparkly
#14495 Posted : Wednesday, April 08, 2020 8:31:43 AM
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Ericsson wrote:
obiero wrote:
sqft wrote:
Jambojet suspends all flights.

There was no option


They ferry cargo


Not practical:

1. Plane would have to be refitted for cargo. This means remove seats, overhead carriers, windows. Add rails for pallet containers.

2. Most jambojet planes are custom made for passengers and are not fit for cargo. Cargo versions need higher wings, more engine power and more fuel capacity.

3. There is no business. Cargo business is horticultural produce to Europe and consumer products from Europe and Asia. These markets have groumd to an halt.
Life is short. Live passionately.
VituVingiSana
#14496 Posted : Wednesday, April 08, 2020 9:38:47 AM
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Joined: 1/3/2007
Posts: 17,021
Location: Nairobi
sparkly wrote:
Ericsson wrote:
obiero wrote:
sqft wrote:
Jambojet suspends all flights.

There was no option


They ferry cargo


Not practical:

1. Plane would have to be refitted for cargo. This means remove seats, overhead carriers, windows. Add rails for pallet containers.

2. Most jambojet planes are custom made for passengers and are not fit for cargo. Cargo versions need higher wings, more engine power and more fuel capacity.

3. There is no business. Cargo business is horticultural produce to Europe and consumer products from Europe and Asia. These markets have groumd to an halt.
I read that food shipments may be restarted given the pilots/crew can do a same-day turnaround with safety precautions. 2 sets of pilots given the 8 hour flights each way. EU/UK depends on food from abroad.
Greedy when others are fearful. Very fearful when others are greedy - to paraphrase Warren Buffett
Zichi
#14497 Posted : Wednesday, April 08, 2020 10:46:03 AM
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Joined: 5/24/2017
Posts: 36
VituVingiSana wrote:
sparkly wrote:
Ericsson wrote:
obiero wrote:
sqft wrote:
Jambojet suspends all flights.

There was no option


They ferry cargo


Not practical:

1. Plane would have to be refitted for cargo. This means remove seats, overhead carriers, windows. Add rails for pallet containers.

2. Most jambojet planes are custom made for passengers and are not fit for cargo. Cargo versions need higher wings, more engine power and more fuel capacity.

3. There is no business. Cargo business is horticultural produce to Europe and consumer products from Europe and Asia. These markets have groumd to an halt.
I read that food shipments may be restarted given the pilots/crew can do a same-day turnaround with safety precautions. 2 sets of pilots given the 8 hour flights each way. EU/UK depends on food from abroad.


KCAA can authorise Jambo to operate cargo as long as the cargo can fit on a passenger seat and is strapped Ethiopian are operating that way at the moment with their widebodies. Containers in the belly and small weights on seats
Zichi
#14498 Posted : Wednesday, April 08, 2020 10:47:51 AM
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Joined: 5/24/2017
Posts: 36
VituVingiSana wrote:
sparkly wrote:
Ericsson wrote:
obiero wrote:
sqft wrote:
Jambojet suspends all flights.

There was no option


They ferry cargo


Not practical:

1. Plane would have to be refitted for cargo. This means remove seats, overhead carriers, windows. Add rails for pallet containers.

2. Most jambojet planes are custom made for passengers and are not fit for cargo. Cargo versions need higher wings, more engine power and more fuel capacity.

3. There is no business. Cargo business is horticultural produce to Europe and consumer products from Europe and Asia. These markets have groumd to an halt.
I read that food shipments may be restarted given the pilots/crew can do a same-day turnaround with safety precautions. 2 sets of pilots given the 8 hour flights each way. EU/UK depends on food from abroad.


KCAA and the plane manufacturer can authorise Jambo to operate cargo as long as the cargo can fit on a passenger seat and is strapped Ethiopian are operating that way at the moment with their widebodies. Containers in the belly and small weights on seats. You can also remove seats on the Q400 like the Miraa guys
ArrestedDev
#14499 Posted : Wednesday, April 08, 2020 11:08:19 AM
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Joined: 5/29/2016
Posts: 868
Location: Nairobi
Zichi wrote:
VituVingiSana wrote:
sparkly wrote:
Ericsson wrote:
obiero wrote:
sqft wrote:
Jambojet suspends all flights.

There was no option


They ferry cargo


Not practical:

1. Plane would have to be refitted for cargo. This means remove seats, overhead carriers, windows. Add rails for pallet containers.

2. Most jambojet planes are custom made for passengers and are not fit for cargo. Cargo versions need higher wings, more engine power and more fuel capacity.

3. There is no business. Cargo business is horticultural produce to Europe and consumer products from Europe and Asia. These markets have groumd to an halt.
I read that food shipments may be restarted given the pilots/crew can do a same-day turnaround with safety precautions. 2 sets of pilots given the 8 hour flights each way. EU/UK depends on food from abroad.


KCAA and the plane manufacturer can authorise Jambo to operate cargo as long as the cargo can fit on a passenger seat and is strapped Ethiopian are operating that way at the moment with their widebodies. Containers in the belly and small weights on seats. You can also remove seats on the Q400 like the Miraa guys


Yes. It can be done with almost every aircraft type. Austrian recently used a B777-200 to ferry medical supplies from China.

Flydubai using several B737-800 to ferry cargo with seats not even removed. KQ need to do this with their B737-800 but do not think there is anyone who can go the extra mile in the management team.

So many other airlines are utilising their idle fleet for cargo right now.
Spikes
#14500 Posted : Wednesday, April 08, 2020 11:18:40 AM
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Joined: 9/20/2015
Posts: 2,797
Location: Mombasa
sparkly wrote:
Ericsson wrote:
obiero wrote:
sqft wrote:
Jambojet suspends all flights.

There was no option


They ferry cargo


Not practical:

1. Plane would have to be refitted for cargo. This means remove seats, overhead carriers, windows. Add rails for pallet containers.

2. Most jambojet planes are custom made for passengers and are not fit for cargo. Cargo versions need higher wings, more engine power and more fuel capacity.

3. There is no business. Cargo business is horticultural produce to Europe and consumer products from Europe and Asia. These markets have groumd to an halt.


#2 point is not necessary in the middle of the crisis . Higher wings,more engine power and more fuel capacity do not matter. What is relevant is weight capacity of the carrier. A passenger plane can carry cargo as long as is within its weight limit.
John 5:17 But Jesus replied, “My Father is always working, and so am I.”
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