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wukan
#981 Posted : Monday, April 06, 2020 6:05:35 PM
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Posts: 1,382
Bigchick wrote:
@Tycho and @Prophet Wukan,on 4th April,Australia announced that they had discovered a drug (Ivermetcin) used to clear head lice was working on CV within 48hours.Your comments please.
My optimism is back up there,soon we shall be back to our normal lifes but with some new realisations and adjustments on our lifestyles.

I also have a question,for the 16 guys who turned positive yesturday,were they having any symptoms?14 days were ending today.Is it right to conclude they were going on with their normal lifestyle and would have just healed without any intervention?


Sars, H1N1, swine flue, ebola and CV have all exploded in the last 20 years. There still no effective vaccines for Sars and H1N1. By the way, Japan already has a effective drug against CV yet they have gone on a state of emergency in Tokyo and other areas.

Mans plans the gods laugh


limanika
#982 Posted : Monday, April 06, 2020 6:11:25 PM
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Joined: 9/21/2011
Posts: 2,014
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limanika
#983 Posted : Monday, April 06, 2020 6:14:09 PM
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Joined: 9/21/2011
Posts: 2,014
FRM2011 wrote:
[quote=limanika]I hope govt has an end game for all this and not just acting blindly.
The target should be for schools to reopen come 1st May.

Since we are at the start of April, an immediate 2-week lock down of all known hot spots and/or tracing and quarantining all who have come into contact with victims makes sense. Then you have 2 more weeks to review before schools reopen.


Lockdown as a strategy ? Experts are talking of between 60-180 days !!!! Scary stuff.

https://www.bloomberg.co...ake?srnd=premium-africa[/quote]

@FRM2011 hope you can see the point. This is the best we can manage at the moment
masukuma
#984 Posted : Monday, April 06, 2020 6:18:59 PM
Rank: Elder


Joined: 10/4/2006
Posts: 13,436
Location: Nairobi
wukan wrote:
Bigchick wrote:
@Tycho and @Prophet Wukan,on 4th April,Australia announced that they had discovered a drug (Ivermetcin) used to clear head lice was working on CV within 48hours.Your comments please.
My optimism is back up there,soon we shall be back to our normal lifes but with some new realisations and adjustments on our lifestyles.

I also have a question,for the 16 guys who turned positive yesturday,were they having any symptoms?14 days were ending today.Is it right to conclude they were going on with their normal lifestyle and would have just healed without any intervention?


Sars, H1N1, swine flue, ebola and CV have all exploded in the last 20 years. There still no effective vaccines for Sars and H1N1. By the way, Japan already has a effective drug against CV yet they have gone on a state of emergency in Tokyo and other areas.

Mans plans the gods laugh



Quote:
People may plan all kinds of things, but the LORD's will is going to be done.



And of course, things are not as simple as you think they are:

There are these tiny annoying thnigs called Clinical Studies that seem to comfound people these days...

Quote:

Doctors in Japan are using the same drug in clinical studies on coronavirus patients with mild to moderate symptoms, hoping it will prevent the virus from multiplying in patients.


Quote:
Favipiravir would need government approval for full-scale use on Covid-19 patients, since it was originally intended to treat flu.

A health official told the Mainichi the drug could be approved as early as May. “But if the results of clinical research are delayed, approval could also be delayed.”


All Mushrooms are edible! Some Mushroom are only edible ONCE!
tycho
#985 Posted : Monday, April 06, 2020 9:33:38 PM
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Joined: 7/1/2011
Posts: 8,804
Location: Nairobi
@Bigchick, about the discovered effects of Ivermetcin.

As @masukuma said, we wait for clinical trials. If you look at info on Covid and what is required; and what the drug offers, I may not be so optimistic.

As far as I can see, the treatment to work for is either a vaccine or find a way for building immunity slowly through non pharmaceutical means.

All drugs are secondary to these two options.
tycho
#986 Posted : Monday, April 06, 2020 10:01:36 PM
Rank: Elder


Joined: 7/1/2011
Posts: 8,804
Location: Nairobi
Most people, nay, governments, are not clear regarding the question to be answered, and the role of the lockdown or movement restrictions with regard to Covid.

For example, Europe is transitioning from lockdowns to herd immunization.

Quote:
Italy on Monday reported 636 deaths, roughly 100 more than the previous day, but its infection rate slowed again, with the number of new positive cases rising by under 2,000, or 2.1%. The health minister, Roberto Speranza, told the daily La Repubblica that the coming period was going to be hard.

“There are difficult months ahead,” he said. “Our task is to create the conditions to live with the virus,” at least until a vaccine arrives.
alma1
#987 Posted : Monday, April 06, 2020 10:10:55 PM
Rank: Elder


Joined: 9/19/2015
Posts: 2,764
Location: hapo
tycho wrote:
Most people, nay, governments, are not clear regarding the question to be answered, and the role of the lockdown or movement restrictions with regard to Covid.

For example, Europe is transitioning from lockdowns to herd immunization.

Quote:
Italy on Monday reported 636 deaths, roughly 100 more than the previous day, but its infection rate slowed again, with the number of new positive cases rising by under 2,000, or 2.1%. The health minister, Roberto Speranza, told the daily La Repubblica that the coming period was going to be hard.

“There are difficult months ahead,” he said. “Our task is to create the conditions to live with the virus,” at least until a vaccine arrives.


This statement has been sprinkled with a lot of salt and pepper. So much so that the food tastes, not true.

Boss. Herd mentality is a methodology that has been dumped. That's not even a question it's a fact.

Let's stick to the Chinese medicine that's curing corona that the Chinese are not using. That's more palatable.
Thieves are not good people. Tumeelewana?
Lolest!
#988 Posted : Monday, April 06, 2020 10:14:57 PM
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Joined: 3/18/2011
Posts: 11,995
Location: Kianjokoma
Laughing out loudly smile Applause d'oh! Sad Drool Liar Shame on you Pray
tycho
#989 Posted : Monday, April 06, 2020 10:17:37 PM
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Joined: 7/1/2011
Posts: 8,804
Location: Nairobi
alma1 wrote:
tycho wrote:
Most people, nay, governments, are not clear regarding the question to be answered, and the role of the lockdown or movement restrictions with regard to Covid.

For example, Europe is transitioning from lockdowns to herd immunization.

Quote:
Italy on Monday reported 636 deaths, roughly 100 more than the previous day, but its infection rate slowed again, with the number of new positive cases rising by under 2,000, or 2.1%. The health minister, Roberto Speranza, told the daily La Repubblica that the coming period was going to be hard.

“There are difficult months ahead,” he said. “Our task is to create the conditions to live with the virus,” at least until a vaccine arrives.


This statement has been sprinkled with a lot of salt and pepper. So much so that the food tastes, not true.

Boss. Herd mentality is a methodology that has been dumped. That's not even a question it's a fact.

Let's stick to the Chinese medicine that's curing corona that the Chinese are not using. That's more palatable.


Okay, @alma. Maybe you're right.

Let's watch and see.
alma1
#990 Posted : Monday, April 06, 2020 10:26:37 PM
Rank: Elder


Joined: 9/19/2015
Posts: 2,764
Location: hapo
tycho wrote:
alma1 wrote:
tycho wrote:
Most people, nay, governments, are not clear regarding the question to be answered, and the role of the lockdown or movement restrictions with regard to Covid.

For example, Europe is transitioning from lockdowns to herd immunization.

Quote:
Italy on Monday reported 636 deaths, roughly 100 more than the previous day, but its infection rate slowed again, with the number of new positive cases rising by under 2,000, or 2.1%. The health minister, Roberto Speranza, told the daily La Repubblica that the coming period was going to be hard.

“There are difficult months ahead,” he said. “Our task is to create the conditions to live with the virus,” at least until a vaccine arrives.


This statement has been sprinkled with a lot of salt and pepper. So much so that the food tastes, not true.

Boss. Herd mentality is a methodology that has been dumped. That's not even a question it's a fact.

Let's stick to the Chinese medicine that's curing corona that the Chinese are not using. That's more palatable.


Okay, @alma. Maybe you're right.

Let's watch and see.


It's not about me being right. Let's stick to the facts.

Otherwise we shall end up like Pastor Owour with all sorts of cures.

Yet, the facts are right there in front of your eyes.

Stop movement. Test. Isolate.

That's the only working way. Every other way is testing and miracle thinking.
Thieves are not good people. Tumeelewana?
tycho
#991 Posted : Monday, April 06, 2020 10:31:44 PM
Rank: Elder


Joined: 7/1/2011
Posts: 8,804
Location: Nairobi
alma1 wrote:
tycho wrote:
alma1 wrote:
tycho wrote:
Most people, nay, governments, are not clear regarding the question to be answered, and the role of the lockdown or movement restrictions with regard to Covid.

For example, Europe is transitioning from lockdowns to herd immunization.

Quote:
Italy on Monday reported 636 deaths, roughly 100 more than the previous day, but its infection rate slowed again, with the number of new positive cases rising by under 2,000, or 2.1%. The health minister, Roberto Speranza, told the daily La Repubblica that the coming period was going to be hard.

“There are difficult months ahead,” he said. “Our task is to create the conditions to live with the virus,” at least until a vaccine arrives.


This statement has been sprinkled with a lot of salt and pepper. So much so that the food tastes, not true.

Boss. Herd mentality is a methodology that has been dumped. That's not even a question it's a fact.

Let's stick to the Chinese medicine that's curing corona that the Chinese are not using. That's more palatable.


Okay, @alma. Maybe you're right.

Let's watch and see.


It's not about me being right. Let's stick to the facts.

Otherwise we shall end up like Pastor Owour with all sorts of cures.

Yet, the facts are right there in front of your eyes.

Stop movement. Test. Isolate.

That's the only working way. Every other way is testing and miracle thinking.


It's true, it's about facts. I am watching them unfold.

Stop movement. Test. Isolate. I accept to watch these facts unfold.
alma1
#992 Posted : Monday, April 06, 2020 10:35:48 PM
Rank: Elder


Joined: 9/19/2015
Posts: 2,764
Location: hapo
tycho wrote:
alma1 wrote:
tycho wrote:
alma1 wrote:
tycho wrote:
Most people, nay, governments, are not clear regarding the question to be answered, and the role of the lockdown or movement restrictions with regard to Covid.

For example, Europe is transitioning from lockdowns to herd immunization.

Quote:
Italy on Monday reported 636 deaths, roughly 100 more than the previous day, but its infection rate slowed again, with the number of new positive cases rising by under 2,000, or 2.1%. The health minister, Roberto Speranza, told the daily La Repubblica that the coming period was going to be hard.

“There are difficult months ahead,” he said. “Our task is to create the conditions to live with the virus,” at least until a vaccine arrives.


This statement has been sprinkled with a lot of salt and pepper. So much so that the food tastes, not true.

Boss. Herd mentality is a methodology that has been dumped. That's not even a question it's a fact.

Let's stick to the Chinese medicine that's curing corona that the Chinese are not using. That's more palatable.


Okay, @alma. Maybe you're right.

Let's watch and see.


It's not about me being right. Let's stick to the facts.

Otherwise we shall end up like Pastor Owour with all sorts of cures.

Yet, the facts are right there in front of your eyes.

Stop movement. Test. Isolate.

That's the only working way. Every other way is testing and miracle thinking.


It's true, it's about facts. I am watching them unfold.

Stop movement. Test. Isolate. I accept to watch these facts unfold.


When you find another method that's working anywhere in the world. Please do share.
Thieves are not good people. Tumeelewana?
jgithige
#993 Posted : Monday, April 06, 2020 10:41:28 PM
Rank: Member


Joined: 7/10/2014
Posts: 142
Location: Nairobi
Lolest! wrote:

If it were an African leader taken to ICU that would have been a top secret. Even being hospitalized is widely shielded. This the kind of transparency we should emulate. Get well Boris
"Blowing out someone else candle won't make yours shine brighter"-Anonymous
mpobiz
#994 Posted : Monday, April 06, 2020 10:43:55 PM
Rank: Veteran


Joined: 8/10/2010
Posts: 1,972
masukuma wrote:
Bigchick wrote:
@Tycho and @Prophet Wukan,on 4th April,Australia announced that they had discovered a drug (Ivermetcin) used to clear head lice was working on CV within 48hours.Your comments please.
My optimism is back up there,soon we shall be back to our normal lifes but with some new realisations and adjustments on our lifestyles.

I also have a question,for the 16 guys who turned positive yesturday, were they having any symptoms?14 days were ending today.Is it right to conclude they were going on with their normal lifestyle and would have just healed without any intervention?

so the 16 guys did not turn positive yesterday... their results were revealed to us yesterday. The 16 cases were discovered after the ministry conducted tests on 530 samples. When were the samples taken? who knows. It also mentions that 11 patients had travel history - this means they came in on or before the 25 of March and are possibly in Mandatory Quarantine facilities.


I also hear that the pilot was okey untill he got tested. Panic ikaingia chumbi ikapanda then akaondokea. Look at the roho juu governor still with us. This tests should be done away with and let focus on other methods of fighting this virus.
Tests should only be done on servere cases where someone needs extra care. For counting /numbers purposes only.
Now we have upscaled the lockdown for 21 days .hoping to see what we have yet to see from the previous 3 months. It's clear our government has decided to adopt the concept of herd immunity.
Politics is just things to keep the people divided and foolish and put your trust in men and none of them can do nothing for you...
tycho
#995 Posted : Monday, April 06, 2020 10:59:10 PM
Rank: Elder


Joined: 7/1/2011
Posts: 8,804
Location: Nairobi
alma1 wrote:
tycho wrote:
alma1 wrote:
tycho wrote:
alma1 wrote:
tycho wrote:
Most people, nay, governments, are not clear regarding the question to be answered, and the role of the lockdown or movement restrictions with regard to Covid.

For example, Europe is transitioning from lockdowns to herd immunization.

Quote:
Italy on Monday reported 636 deaths, roughly 100 more than the previous day, but its infection rate slowed again, with the number of new positive cases rising by under 2,000, or 2.1%. The health minister, Roberto Speranza, told the daily La Repubblica that the coming period was going to be hard.

“There are difficult months ahead,” he said. “Our task is to create the conditions to live with the virus,” at least until a vaccine arrives.


This statement has been sprinkled with a lot of salt and pepper. So much so that the food tastes, not true.

Boss. Herd mentality is a methodology that has been dumped. That's not even a question it's a fact.

Let's stick to the Chinese medicine that's curing corona that the Chinese are not using. That's more palatable.


Okay, @alma. Maybe you're right.

Let's watch and see.


It's not about me being right. Let's stick to the facts.

Otherwise we shall end up like Pastor Owour with all sorts of cures.

Yet, the facts are right there in front of your eyes.

Stop movement. Test. Isolate.

That's the only working way. Every other way is testing and miracle thinking.


It's true, it's about facts. I am watching them unfold.

Stop movement. Test. Isolate. I accept to watch these facts unfold.


When you find another method that's working anywhere in the world. Please do share.


Let's just finish with what you believe is factual. Then we can test others.
Shak
#996 Posted : Monday, April 06, 2020 10:59:20 PM
Rank: Elder


Joined: 2/22/2009
Posts: 2,430
Location: Africa
jgithige wrote:
Lolest! wrote:

If it were an African leader taken to ICU that would have been a top secret. Even being hospitalized is widely shielded. This the kind of transparency we should emulate. Get well Boris

Woi! Not good
sqft
#997 Posted : Monday, April 06, 2020 11:43:37 PM
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Joined: 1/10/2015
Posts: 360
Location: Kenya
“For every complex problem there is an answer that is clear, simple and wrong.” ― H. L. Mencken.
alma1
#998 Posted : Monday, April 06, 2020 11:52:00 PM
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Joined: 9/19/2015
Posts: 2,764
Location: hapo
sqft wrote:


Jesus, is that a journalist? Do they read? Sorry. Do they know how to read?

Thieves are not good people. Tumeelewana?
alma1
#999 Posted : Monday, April 06, 2020 11:55:41 PM
Rank: Elder


Joined: 9/19/2015
Posts: 2,764
Location: hapo
I have a funny feeling Kenyans still think the virus is here to negotiate.

Since I last posted, the virus has moved from 500k to 1.3 million. I posted 6 days ago.

I can see people here are still trying to organise, Viva!!

It's a virus. Stop moving. It wont' move. Test as much as you can as quickly as you can. Isolate.

I will bookmark this post too. TThere is no shortcut with this thing. There's no logical thinking. It is here to infect as many as it can. Until it can't infect anymore.

It shall do so for as long as we aren't serious and isolate effectively.

See you in one week's time.
Thieves are not good people. Tumeelewana?
sqft
#1000 Posted : Tuesday, April 07, 2020 12:34:47 AM
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Joined: 1/10/2015
Posts: 360
Location: Kenya
Recovering doesn't mean that you are safe.


“For every complex problem there is an answer that is clear, simple and wrong.” ― H. L. Mencken.
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