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JKIA-James Gichuru rd Express way project
hardwood
#41 Posted : Wednesday, October 30, 2019 12:29:19 PM
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wukan wrote:
Same discussions like in the 'Thika road expansion was a mistake' thread
http://www.wazua.co.ke/f...sts&t=7643&p=15

Govt will ignore and build more expressways and induce more demand and more traffic will turn up. Let them do as they please. As soon as the expressway is opened the traffic jams will return as people will move from Nairobi to Machakos and Dustbowl


More expressways and bypasses are essential for a city's growth. The govt is there to facilitate a city's organic evolution. See the video below on how cities grow.






Fyatu
#42 Posted : Wednesday, October 30, 2019 1:17:35 PM
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Kenyans need to be whipped thoroughly mpaka washike adabu. What make you think there will be no random matatu terminus on the JKIA-James Gichuru expressway? Cheki hao ma jay-walkers hapo

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wukan
#43 Posted : Wednesday, October 30, 2019 1:49:01 PM
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hardwood wrote:
wukan wrote:
Same discussions like in the 'Thika road expansion was a mistake' thread
http://www.wazua.co.ke/f...sts&t=7643&p=15

Govt will ignore and build more expressways and induce more demand and more traffic will turn up. Let them do as they please. As soon as the expressway is opened the traffic jams will return as people will move from Nairobi to Machakos and Dustbowl


More expressways and bypasses are essential for a city's growth. The govt is there to facilitate a city's organic evolution. See the video below on how cities grow.




Cities are planned settlements through height restriction, zoning, placement of infrastructure. The organic growth is the slums. Expressways cutting through cities are not essential for a city's growth. They actually deface cities. Bypasses are okay.

What a city needs for its growth is efficient public transport systems. Transjakarta currently owns 3,558 bus fleet units with 220 routes serving a population of 20million. It's become so efficient that in the last five years Transjakarta has succeeded in increasing the number of public transport users by some 300%.

Instead of doing the transjakarta style we are catering for a tiny minority that needs to get the airport on time from Westlands. This is mostly the unep fellows at Gigiri. We also did the Red hill road for them.

From the Hass Land index report for Q3 "Growth in the suburbs was driven by Kitusuru and Loresho suburbs which continue to benefit from the completion of the Waiyaki Way-Red Hill link road which has made the suburbs more accessible." In a few years the Red hill road will be full of traffic.

Let's compare notes in a few years when upper hill loses its shine, Nairobi CBD becomes old town, westlands becomes new town and Syokimau, Mlolongo becomes a hot real estate mess. The area under the expressway will be as dangerous for pedestrians as the globe roundabout.
hardwood
#44 Posted : Wednesday, October 30, 2019 4:09:10 PM
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wukan wrote:
hardwood wrote:
wukan wrote:
Same discussions like in the 'Thika road expansion was a mistake' thread
http://www.wazua.co.ke/f...sts&t=7643&p=15

Govt will ignore and build more expressways and induce more demand and more traffic will turn up. Let them do as they please. As soon as the expressway is opened the traffic jams will return as people will move from Nairobi to Machakos and Dustbowl


More expressways and bypasses are essential for a city's growth. The govt is there to facilitate a city's organic evolution. See the video below on how cities grow.




Cities are planned settlements through height restriction, zoning, placement of infrastructure. The organic growth is the slums. Expressways cutting through cities are not essential for a city's growth. They actually deface cities. Bypasses are okay.

What a city needs for its growth is efficient public transport systems. Transjakarta currently owns 3,558 bus fleet units with 220 routes serving a population of 20million. It's become so efficient that in the last five years Transjakarta has succeeded in increasing the number of public transport users by some 300%.

Instead of doing the transjakarta style we are catering for a tiny minority that needs to get the airport on time from Westlands. This is mostly the unep fellows at Gigiri. We also did the Red hill road for them.

From the Hass Land index report for Q3 "Growth in the suburbs was driven by Kitusuru and Loresho suburbs which continue to benefit from the completion of the Waiyaki Way-Red Hill link road which has made the suburbs more accessible." In a few years the Red hill road will be full of traffic.

Let's compare notes in a few years when upper hill loses its shine, Nairobi CBD becomes old town, westlands becomes new town and Syokimau, Mlolongo becomes a hot real estate mess. The area under the expressway will be as dangerous for pedestrians as the globe roundabout.


You are wrong. This is like saying that the southern bypass serves only those who travel between ole sereni and kikuyu, or jkia and karen. FYI the expressway starts at mlolongo and has several exits eg at JKIA, sgr terminus, eastern bypass, southern bypass, capital centre haile Selassie rd, museum rd, westlands and james gichuru. So @mugundaman will be free to join the expressway at mlolongo and exit 10 minutes later at the haile Selassie exit so as to get to his office hapo kirinyaga rd. Someone working in westlands can join the expressway at westlands and exit hapo capital centre mbs rd to get home huko south b/c. Someone traveling from kitengela to nakuru will join the expressway hapo mlolongo and exit at james gichuru 15 minutes later to continue with his journey. So the road is made for wanjiku and not just the UN guys.

Regarding public transportation I think the current system is the best and most efficient. The matatu owner has to make money to survive and thus he has to remain competitive by investing in the latest matatu designs, vehicle trackers to monitor matatu movement, competitive fares etc. Matatus are also very efficient because they only "leave the stage" when they are full, thus ensuring maximum returns, and from a planning point of view, the best use of road space. There is a time nairobi has KBS buses, stagecoach, nyayo bus owned by nairobi city council and govt and they all failed due to corruption and inefficiency. Even in cities like london who are reknowned for their "public transport", the city authorities contract out bus operations on various routes to private companies, the equivalent of our matatu saccos. All the london "kanjo" does is to give guidelines on bus specifications, capacity, colour, maintenance, fares etc. If you look closely its just the way nairobi city county has licensed various saccos to operate on variopus routes. Kicking out matatus and bringing in govt owned buses, sijui BRT and closing sections of the roads for exclusive use by such buses would be a disaster for transportation in the city coz how will someone living in syokimau or utawala or kawangware, ruaka etc get to work in the cbd? Right now there is a matatu for every route and every time meaning the city is very efficiently served by public transport ie matatus.

https://en.wikipedia.org..._of_London_bus_services

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/London_Buses
jamplu
#45 Posted : Wednesday, October 30, 2019 8:22:13 PM
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for those who will be going the whole distance it will be quite expensive if they use the expressway on a daily basis both ways. about 600 per day and you are yet to pay Kanju another 300. thats 1K on a daily basis na fuel bado hii wanjiku atawezana kweli.

Seoul Korea abandoned their elevated highway and its now a walkway. Yes you don't need a dedicated bus lane so long as there is constant flow of traffic and citizens are disciplined to keep off bus lanes during rush hours. Instead of waiting to demolish it in the next 30 years we can learn from cities who are paying dearly to correct their mistakes and are now focusing on transit and car free cities

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iPYTz0YWVfY

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freeway_removal

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IFjD3NMv6Kw



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